Re: [Mtgvenue] New Version Notification for draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requirements-02.txt

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 6:19 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot=
40mnot.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On 1 Mar 2024, at 13:16, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> No, it's not that simple. For example, we met once in Buenos Aires and
> >>> found problems that a simple count wouldn't reflect, e.g., personal
> >>> safety issues that made people who went say they wouldn't go back.
> >>
> >> Funny, I encounter those issues often in the North American cities that
> we keep on returning to as well...
> >
> > Someone we both know was mugged within a few blocks of the B.A. hotel.
> I realize the US is not as safe as Australia, but how often does that
> happen in the places we meet in the US?
>
> My understanding was that the same happened to an attendee in
> Philadelphia. Not sure about San Francisco, but let's just say it wouldn't
> be surprising...
>
> > BA had other issues, not a lot of local attendees, only place I ever got
> counterfeit money from a bank ATM.  I like the city but I don't think it
> would be a good place to meet again.
>
> It's always going to depend on priorities -- YMMV.
>

I think this is a good illustration of why it's difficult to come up with a
complete
set of objective criteria about the suitability of a specific venue.
Rather, I think
the right way to proceed is by having a smaller set of screening criteria
(as the current document does) and then asking whether a proposed new
venue is problematic for a large enough [0] fraction of attendees, for
whatever
reason, without interrogating the validity of those reasons.

With that said, I agree with John that time zone is not a good replacement
for our existing geographic zone system. I could imagine a new criterion
based on travel time, but I don't think time zone is a good choice for the
reasons John indicated.

-Ekr

[0] Where "large enough" is defined as "significantly more than for the
existing
venues"

>
> Cheers,
>
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