Re: [netmod] draft netmod charter update proposal

Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> Mon, 27 February 2017 21:59 UTC

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From: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>
To: Mehmet Ersue <mersue@gmail.com>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] draft netmod charter update proposal
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>>   c) Maintaining a conceptual framework in which YANG models are used.
>>      This effort entails describing the context that network management
>>      protocols (e.g., NETCONF, RESTCONF, CoAP, etc.) operate in, and
>>      how certain YANG statements interact in that context.
>
> The point above sounds a bit vague and can be interpreted wrongly.
> What exactly is meant by "the context that network management protocols
> operate in"?

Let's continue this discussion on the other thread with Rob Wilton.


> Actually since 2002, NETCONF WG is responsible to specify the configuration
> protocols and the context and framework where they operate in.
> I assume you rather mean bringing YANG and the protocols using it into
> relation or showing how YANG is used together with a protocol, or?
> To make it more clear please elaborate what exactly is in-scope and 
> what is out-of-scope.

I think that the scope is covered in the other thread.


> We were discussing to specify the YANG language as generic as possible 
> to be used by many protocols and with this to remove NETCONF specific 
> details.  If this is still the aim, we should add a statement on this.

Correct, we’re trying to decouple NETMOD from this, which entails, in 
part, factoring-out some protocol specifics while factoring-in the
context that YANG expects to be used in.


Kent