Re: [OAUTH-WG] JWT Secured Authorization Request (JAR) vs OIDC request object

Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten@lodderstedt.net> Fri, 10 January 2020 18:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] JWT Secured Authorization Request (JAR) vs OIDC request object
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> Am 10.01.2020 um 16:53 schrieb John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>:
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> I think Torsten is speculating that is not a feature people use.   

I’m still trying to understand the use case for merging signed and unsigned parameters. Nat once explained a use case, where a client uses parameters signed by a 3rd party (some „certification authority“) in combination with transaction-specific parameters. Is this being done in the wild? 

PS: PAR would work with both modes.