Re: [ogpx] VWRAP is going no where.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Joshua Bell <josh@lindenlab.com> wrote:

I'm aware of a fair amount of *implementation work* happening right now, and
> Meadhbh is *cranking on revisions to the LLSD/LLIDL draft*. Yes, it's a
> bit quiet here, but I'm not too disturbed; there's a lot of
> writing/implementation to do to catch up to the state of discussions.
>

Joshua, that answer just adds fuel to the worries.  Referring to the
highlighted sections:

1) *Implementation* of what?  In order to implement a protocol, one must
have a protocol to implement.  It is one of the worries in this group that
instead of working out in the group what the protocol needs to do, one or
two parties may be attempting to impose a de facto standard to override
group discussions.

2) Cranking out *revisions of LLSD/LLIDL* based on what discussions?  The
latest detailed discussions about LLSD/LLIDL were in MMOX.  What is being
revised?

Morgaine.

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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Joshua Bell <josh@lindenlab.com> wrote:

> I'm aware of a fair amount of implementation work happening right now, and
> Meadhbh is cranking on revisions to the LLSD/LLIDL draft. Yes, it's a bit
> quiet here, but I'm not too disturbed; there's a lot of
> writing/implementation to do to catch up to the state of discussions.
>
> That said...
>
> IETF77 is coming up in Anaheim, CA, USA on March 21-25. Sufficient interest
> has been expressed offline for us to have a WG meeting, and it's time to
> start thinking about an agenda for a session. I've been chatting offline
> with some of the draft authors about topics, but others who are planning to
> attend (physically or virtually) should start to think about what topics
> might benefit from real-time communication.
>
> Feel free to email me (or the list, of course) if you have a topic you're
> thinking of presenting, and want some early feedback on whether it makes
> sense for the agenda.
>
> (And speaking of attending virtually, I'm planning to run some trials in
> February to make sure we have the appropriate hardware and software for a
> mixed reality session. Volunteers for implementing chat relays, etc, would
> be appreciated.)
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:22 AM, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
>
>> The last message on this list was from 8 December
>> last year... one month of total silence. And even
>> that message was a "hey, is anything happening here?"
>>
>> I'm worried that without communication HERE, there will
>> be no consensus, and without consensus we'll have nothing;
>> VWRAP would be a failure. I'd like to point out that
>> if anyone is working on something behind closed doors
>> somewhere, then that isn't helping much to make any deadlines,
>> since any progress would mean agreement about things
>> on THIS list.
>>
>> --
>> Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
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