Re: [ogpx] VWRAP is going no where.

+1 Morgaine

Joshua wrote "Meadhbh is cranking on revisions to the LLSD/LLIDL draft".

Why not post some of these revisions here? We do not even need to have
extensive discussions on such unfinished drafts, [i am well aware of the
amount of time such interactions can take], but i would really appreciate an
opportunity to simply read them, to keep my thinking in sync with the latest
developments, since some major design and implementation work  seems to be
going on. It will save time in later discusions, and improve the quality of
the feedback that eventually will be given.

I am sorry to say, but this group is hardly taken serious at the moment.

--Vaughn

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com>wrote:

> I found the lack of posts since December 8th to be completely normal.  It
> was December after all --- a month dedicated to preparing for festivities,
> attending them, and recovering from them.
>
> To suggest that "VWRAP is going no where" is not correct, as long as some
> people want it to go places.  Many people do, and are working towards it.
>
> I do however support your statement 100% about the work being done behind
> closed doors.
>
> Working behind closed doors is not necessary, and it's deliberately
> provocative and obstructive to the smooth operation of the working group.
> It should not be done.
>
> The group is here to work as a team.  Please let it do so, by involving
> it.  (Pointing at Lindens here.)
>
> There still seems to be some remaining vestige of "let's do what we want
> and get it rubberstamped", and it really needs to disappear.  It's not going
> to get rubberstamped, and not involving the group throughout document
> preparation just guarantees major dissent and wholesale rewrites.  I would
> prefer a smoother, more collaborative approach.
>
> This work should be done incrementally, agreeing ideas in advance within
> the team, and only then writing them up once the basic details are well
> known.  Collaboration is much easier under those conditions.
>
>
> Morgaine.
>
>
>
>
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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> wrote:
>
>> The last message on this list was from 8 December
>> last year... one month of total silence. And even
>> that message was a "hey, is anything happening here?"
>>
>> I'm worried that without communication HERE, there will
>> be no consensus, and without consensus we'll have nothing;
>> VWRAP would be a failure. I'd like to point out that
>> if anyone is working on something behind closed doors
>> somewhere, then that isn't helping much to make any deadlines,
>> since any progress would mean agreement about things
>> on THIS list.
>>
>> --
>> Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com>
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