Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Tue, 14 February 2023 09:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft
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Werner Koch writes: >Using new OIDs will eventually make keys and signatures created since 8 years >invalid. Further deployed software won't be able to handle any newly created >signature or key. It won't make them invalid, as Paul points out they'd still be there for backwards compatibility. And one would hope that deployed software will get updated to use the standard OIDs once they appear in an updated draft. (Open)PGP is already a Ripley's Believe-it-or-Not Odditorium of oddball stuff that nothing else uses, the use of nonstandard OIDs is something we can at least fix at the current draft stage before it becomes an RFC. Peter.
- [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Aron Wussler
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Paul Schaub
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Heiko Schäfer
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft David Runge
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Jonathan McDowell
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] Weird OIDs in the 4880bis draft Justus Winter