Re: [perpass] privacy/PM reviews of existing stuff

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sat, 01 February 2014 15:09 UTC

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On 1/31/2014 2:50 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 07:50:52AM -0800,
>   Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net> wrote
>> We don't have a track record of those specific types of reviews and
>> I believe we are some distance away from having a shared, usable
>> model of what to review for.
>
> We don't start from zero, we have already RFC 6973 and its section 8
> is a very good example of privacy/PM analysis of an existing protocol.


That's nice input for someone considering how to do a PM review, yes, 
but my comment was about actual performance of PM reviews in the IETF.

Think of the example as being based on theory, and an actual review -- 
and all the group interaction that accompanies it -- as demonstrating 
practice.

Of course, in theory there's no difference between theory and practice, 
but...

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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