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Re: [Rats] IPR statements about draft-ietf-rats-architecture

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 20 November 2021 15:46 UTC

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To: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, "Eric Voit (evoit)" <evoit@cisco.com>, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>, rats@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Rats] IPR statements about draft-ietf-rats-architecture
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Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
    > I wouldn’t go by that date as I did a call for IPR and then had to
    > wait. That might have been the trigger, not sure.

    > Hannes, can your lawyers look at what’s been provided so far?

The IPR disclosures on the IETF web site are almost always completely
useless.  This one included in my opinion.

Worse, a typo in the markup of the previous version means that the 3.1
heading actually didn't render.  So it's not clear what the IPR claim refers to.

At best the IPR declaration tells us what patent application to look at, and
we don't even know if the PTO will even accept all the claims.

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