Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload-rtp-opus-08
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Subject: Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload-rtp-opus-08
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Based on Derek's latest suggestion, the text would become: "Since Opus does not provide any confidentiality or integrity protection, implementations SHOULD use one of the possible RTP Security methods (See RFC7201, RFC7202)." I think that should resolve the issue that was raised. Jean-Marc On 01/04/15 05:11 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > Hi Roni and Derek, > > This thread sort of tailed off in February. Has the discussion been > resolved? > > Thanks! > > Ben. > > On 19 Feb 2015, at 11:07, Derek Atkins wrote: > >> Roni, >> >> I'm not an RTP guy. To me "SRTP" is a general class of "Secure >> RTP" protocols. So let's work on that as my starting point: >> implementations SHOULD protect their RTP stream. >> >> Based on that, how about a re-wording here? Instead of just >> saying "MAY use SRTP", how about something like "SHOULD use one >> of the possible RTP Security methods (See RFC7201, RFC7202)"? >> (Obviously this can be worded better). >> >> -derek >> >> Roni Even <roni.even@mail01.huawei.com> writes: >> >>> Hi, The reason for the may is discussed in RFC7201 and RFC >>> 7202, it can be a SHOULD and these RFCs exaplain when it is not >>> required to use SRTP. Maybe add a reference to these RFCs in >>> the security section when saying talking about good reasons for >>> not using SRTP >>> >>> Roni Even >>> >>> ________________________________________ From: Jean-Marc Valin >>> [jvalin@mozilla.com] on behalf of Jean-Marc Valin >>> [jmvalin@mozilla.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:23 >>> PM To: Derek Atkins; iesg@ietf.org; secdir@ietf.org Cc: >>> payload-chairs@tools.ietf.org; koenvos74@gmail.com; >>> jspittka@gmail.com Subject: Re: sec-dir review of >>> draft-ietf-payload-rtp-opus-08 >>> >>> Hi Derek, >>> >>> There was no particular reason for the MAY, the text was merely >>> copied from other RTP payload RFC. I totally agree with making >>> it a SHOULD. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jean-Marc >>> >>> On 17/02/15 02:54 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have reviewed this document as part of the security >>>> directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents >>>> being processed by the IESG. These comments were written >>>> with the intent of improving security requirements and >>>> considerations in IETF drafts. Comments not addressed in >>>> last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG >>>> review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these >>>> comments just like any other last call comments. >>>> >>>> Summary: >>>> >>>> Ready to publish with a question: I question why the use of >>>> SRTP is a MAY and not a SHOULD (as detailed in the Security >>>> Considerations section). Considering PERPASS I believe this >>>> should be a SHOULD; someone should have a very good reason >>>> why they are NOT using SRTP. >>>> >>>> Details: >>>> >>>> This document defines the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) >>>> payload format for packetization of Opus encoded speech and >>>> audio data necessary to integrate the codec in the most >>>> compatible way. Further, it describes media type >>>> registrations for the RTP payload format. >>>> >>>> I have no other comments on this document. >>>> >>>> -derek >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ secdir mailing >>> list secdir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir wiki: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/area/sec/trac/wiki/SecDirReview >>> >>> >> >> -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com >> www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVHGEoAAoJEJ6/8sItn9q9powH/A2SNnh6bfcVBXImXZQl4Orc Y9yt5YbF6nWZAbJsp47T5BdtrWm3sXO6I5Uibh9uVrd45G58H39PLQfiR0YxUVif QbdusWArFTbTWSJcFJFFIWZd8PwiugkNrKk+oLlz3KyQAHXYGU85CTk+OuxSk3Hm UWRFYBk66ae/h/VWDEF/XVZrzi2N0mSUCZzAfdgIrqQUcE7QuXz9jdgJf9xmNFEh CmYYHRA4hCjdXtauLHwizIr77WGWEwBUtt0axmynp8w+qPj5OlTdOyIdRR6yjEhq tifVbMOsLJvdm3a/I/6XAQOd9LEGwjfjxhIyPdJerer4msJlK2VlOZMG3cEeEmA= =mvYf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Robert Sparks
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Roni Even
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Roni Even
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Roni Even
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Ben Campbell
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Colin Perkins
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [secdir] [payload] sec-dir review of draft-ie… Magnus Westerlund
- [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload-rtp… Derek Atkins
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Roni Even
- Re: [secdir] sec-dir review of draft-ietf-payload… Derek Atkins