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[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends 2026-07-08)

Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@symbolic.software> Mon, 29 June 2026 14:11 UTC

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I’m responding specifically to the request that this person be transparent about whether or not DJB motivated them to contribute their opinion to this list.

The truth is, people have been both encouraged to vote *for* and *against* this draft as part of online communications for months now. Pretending that DJB’s posting is the first such instance of this is truly intellectually dishonest.

Encouragement to vote *for* this draft has occurred on dedicated Slack and Discord servers for general cryptography discussions with thousands of members, and once can reasonably show that that has almost certainly directly led to certain people voicing their support for the draft.

And yet, there is nothing wrong with that! We're not accosting supporters of the draft and individually to ask them why they're doing supporting it and to disclose on which group chat they were encouraged to support the draft’s publication. We’re also not calling these Slacks/Discords/community chats “influence campaigns”, even though they have likely been far more influential than DJB's post.

This is a regrettable outcome of Filippo’s “external influence campaign” framing and goes to show how damaging his rhetoric has been to fair and unbiased discourse on this list.

Nadim Kobeissi
Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software

> On 29 Jun 2026, at 1:54 PM, Soatok Dreamseeker <soatok.dhole@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Which security concerns?
> 
> Also, if DJB's posting motivated you to contribute to this list, I implore you (and everyone else) to be transparent about this.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 7:44 AM Lauren Amsterdamer <laurenamsterdamer@gmail.com <mailto:laurenamsterdamer@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I do *not* support the publication of this document per the security concerns listed time and time again.
>> 
>> Lauren
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