[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-08 (Ends 2026-07-08)

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sun, 05 July 2026 18:21 UTC

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On Sun, Jul 5, 2026 at 11:13 AM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

>
> They told this mailing list they will treat N the same as Y which is
>> policy affecting millions of systems and people therewith.
>>
>
> Yes, they did. This still doesn't demonstrate that the flag is
> "meaningless in practice"
>

But it still doesn't mean this document has to go through the IETF stream.

It could be done this way:
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9150.html#name-iana-considerations

That is still a stable spec.

thanks,
Rob