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Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Tue, 27 November 2018 10:40 UTC

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:40:26 -0800
Cc: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, tsv-art <tsv-art@ietf.org>, OPSEC <opsec@ietf.org>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering.all@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Tsv-art] [OPSEC] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-opsec-ipv6-eh-filtering-06
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Take that to the standards wg. Don’t stick your head in the sand and try to do an end run in ops. And don’t call any of this a security issue that it isn’t. 

Joe

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 2:17 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
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>> On 27/11/2018 01:47, Joe Touch wrote:
>> If you can’t handle options, then you’re just lying about the tbps.
> 
> When the required application performance exceeds the ability of the hardware
> designers to deliver it economically (or may be at any price) something has to give.
> At that point either the protocol gets modified, or it goes end of life.
> 
> - Stewart
> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joe Touch wrote on 26/11/2018 21:59:
>>>> Rate limiting is quite different from 100% discards. When abuse
>>>> happens, it's clearly safe to react.
>>> data plane speeds are measured in terabits/sec.  Control plane capacity for dealing with punted packets is measured in kilobits.  As end user and data plane speeds increase, rate-limiting for problematic packets will tend towards towards 100% loss.
>>> 
>>> It doesn't matter if your packet stream is subject to 20% loss, or 100%, or 100% for 20% of the time - beyond a certain point, the end user experience will languish in an indistinguishable morass of unusability.
>>> 
>>> Nick
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