Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] RFC 7991 issue #31: Schema Issue, RFC 7991, In Section 2.54, <table>

Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> Sat, 20 October 2018 04:13 UTC

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From: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] RFC 7991 issue #31: Schema Issue, RFC 7991, In Section 2.54, <table>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 8:54 PM
> To: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; 'Paul Hoffman'
> <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
> Cc: 'Heather Flanagan' <rse@rfc-editor.org>; xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ext] [xml2rfc-dev] RFC 7991 issue #31: Schema Issue, RFC 7991, In
> Section 2.54, <table>
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> On 2018-10-20 05:50, Jim Schaad wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 6:33 PM
> >> To: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>
> >> Cc: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-
> >> editor.org>; xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Ext] [xml2rfc-dev] RFC 7991 issue #31: Schema Issue,
> >> RFC
> > 7991, In
> >> Section 2.54, <table>
> >>
> >> Sorry to reopen, but I'm not clear on the result. We have consensus
> >> on something, but I'm not clear how to implement it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 2018-10-09 20:22, Jim Schaad wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: xml2rfc-dev <xml2rfc-dev-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of
> >> >>> Heather Flanagan
> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 11:01 AM
> >> >>> To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] RFC 7991 issue #31: Schema Issue, RFC
> >> >>> 7991,
> > In
> >> >>> Section 2.54, <table>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 10/6/18 2:53 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> >> >>>> On 2018-10-06 21:26, Jim Schaad wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> What is the rule you have for doing the alignment of figure
> >> >>>>>>> captions? I think that the same rules should apply to both
> >> >>>>>>> figures and tables.
> >> >>>>>> Till now, both have been centered.  That can be changed.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> No, I would not change this.  I would keep the centering for
> >> >>>>> the caption.  The next interesting question the caption is
> >> >>>>> wider than
> > the
> >> >>>>> table should it be wrapped to the table width or run on past
> >> >>>>> the
> > edge
> >> >>>>> of the table.  I don't think that I have a preference
> >> >>>> I don't (at least currently) have a strong preference.  The
> >> >>>> current code wraps the title to fit within the table width.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not entirely sure how this issue differs from the table
> >> >>> alignment
> >> >> discussed
> >> >>> in issues 40 and 9?
> >> >>
> >> >> The first was where do you place the table on the page.  This one
> >> >> is
> > how do
> >> >> you place the caption in the table.
> >> >
> >> > Much more succinct than my reply :-)
> >>
> >> Is the result to simply add text that says "the caption will appear
> > centered", or
> >> is the result to add a new attribute such as "alignCaption" with the
> > default
> >> being "center".
> >
> > I think that this is just text and no new attributes.  "The caption
> > will appear centered and the same width as the table."
> 
> That's the way I've implemented it, but I have a reservation for the case when
> the table is very narrow.  I'd prefer to leave the tool writer some wriggle room
> for that case, and not prescribe that the caption must be the same width as the
> table.

I agree with that - every time that I have written this I have always had to think twice.

Jim

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 	Henrik
>