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Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: RFC 7991 issue #37: Schema Issue, RFC 7991, In Section 2.12, <br>

Miek Gieben <miek@miek.nl> Thu, 04 October 2018 21:53 UTC

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From: Miek Gieben <miek@miek.nl>
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: RFC 7991 issue #37: Schema Issue, RFC 7991, In Section 2.12, <br>
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[ Quoting <julian.reschke@gmx.de> in "Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: RFC 799..." ]
>>If that's technically possible: +1 for removing <br> entirely
>
>Misleading.
>
>HTML can focus on semantic markup, because it has a sister technology 
>to deal with presentation (CSS). We don't have that, so we need to 
>consider common cases where a default presentation just isn't good 
>enough.
>
>I'm very surprised that people have no problem adding an attribute for 
>hanging list presentation but then at the same time object to enforced 
>line breaks in table cells.

Well... I don't who "people" are here, but with my current markdown to xml 
translator I don't see why there is *any* need to allow someone to fiddle with 
the defaults of a hanging list (or definition list).

To me, a large sticking point is that the current spec is pretty pendantic in 
what it allows (by virtue of the schema), but then there are these hidden 
(attributes) fields that *do* allow an author to fiddle with the output.

/Miek

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Miek Gieben

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