Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Thu, 21 July 2016 12:45 UTC

Return-Path: <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 96attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3732612D9BB; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.508
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ecs.soton.ac.uk
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HHlu2pplvPol; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F29212D5B5; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LCjfDF023488; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:41 +0100
X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk u6LCjfDF023488
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1469105141; bh=6QJRWVBmLn821R3I7YI0T6U4aC0=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=KsOHcOPorTjQHWOLU7tRd8v8N9Qsf4cSuiAp1hF5nRiHwSbK2NLLC4tq1Qe3I9PdB hDxsBZ//Rr1s0osFLknFhSm02W8op168bwVkP7O3jhA6aDJQZRK0Tw9pEPuIUzLYdt FIPLFAWIzCHgEKyPMk1CZQgcfpNtGOZy8geyuUkc=
Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id s6KDjf1241803679CD ret-id none; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:41 +0100
Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:442e:f5df:6400:281e] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:442e:f5df:6400:281e]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6LCjXxD015864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:45:34 +0100
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\))
From: Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:46:50 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-ID: <EMEW3|3c6d3aa4873be969a92ce2cb60d2e75bs6KDjf03tjc|ecs.soton.ac.uk|136F2941-4B90-46BC-B914-EAE5C1A3D200@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
References: <ccb7d8cc-4a16-eb5d-c430-c76f659ac5fe@nostrum.com> <074701d1e34c$c4f49d00$4eddd700$@olddog.co.uk> <136F2941-4B90-46BC-B914-EAE5C1A3D200@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124)
X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean
X-smtpf-Report: sid=s6KDjf124180367900; tid=s6KDjf1241803679CD; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=4:0; fails=0
X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: u6LCjfDF023488
X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/96attendees/PaUzzU30mLVl_8fAFmuUhlgkj0M>
Cc: 96attendees@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
Subject: Re: [96attendees] Please stop killing trees with pre-printed agendas
X-BeenThere: 96attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: <96attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/96attendees>, <mailto:96attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/96attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:96attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:96attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees>, <mailto:96attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:45:47 -0000

The printed agendas are still very useful, and the dependency on network access is avoided.
In the first couple of days of a meeting the printed room map part is invaluable.

Tim

> On 21 Jul 2016, at 13:38, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Please quantify expense.
> Please compare with cost of printing on site.
> I may offer personal sponsorship.
> Adrian
> 
>> I am becoming convinced that the small pre-printed folded agendas are
>> doing more harm than good.
>> 
>> We've become more dynamic with meeting scheduling - the pre-printed
>> agendas are almost always incorrect at the start of the meeting.
>> 
>> We have much better online tools, including smartphone apps that provide
>> better access to non-stale data.
>> 
>> We've found it easy to have printers on-site for anyone who really needs
>> to print a copy (and can post instructions in an easy to find place on
>> how to make that happen).
>> 
>> Therefore, I would propose that the secretariat be directed to not
>> provide the folded agendas in Seoul, so that we eliminate the printing
>> and shipping expense (and associated environmental impact).
>> 
>> RjS
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 96attendees mailing list
> 96attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/96attendees