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Re: [Add] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 16 July 2019 17:22 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:21:47 -0700
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To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Add] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:10 AM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:

> In any case, BCP 188 covers the issue we're describing quite well.
>
> "The same techniques to achieve [Pervasive Monitoring] can be used
> regardless of motivation.  Thus, we cannot defend against the most
> nefarious actors while allowing monitoring by other actors no matter how
> benevolent some might consider them to be, since the actions required of
> the attacker are indistinguishable from other attacks."
>
> Pervasive Monitoring Is an Attack
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7258
>

I'm quite familiar with this BCP but given it's emphasis on passive
monitoring and the associated interest in opportunistic security (RFC 7435)
I don't see any conflict here.

-Ekr



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> thanks,
> Rob
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