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Re: [Add] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00

Neil Cook <neil.cook@open-xchange.com> Wed, 17 July 2019 16:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Add] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00
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Hi Stephen,

> On 17 Jul 2019, at 16:54, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> I don't question your right to do as you do, but as an (I hope)
> equally valid single data point, I don't do the above and would
> be fine if visitors to my home network used DoH with an external
> service without being under my control. Going further, were I to
> enforce my DNS policy choices on visitors to my home network
> without explaining those, (which is mostly impractical), I would
> consider myself to be potentially attacking visitors to my home,
> which is IMO inhospitable.

Indeed, everyone has the right to their own viewpoint, and we should consider as many as possible when designing protocols, particularly when they differ from our own.

> 
> There are multiple valid conflicting setups here and the issue I
> think is that the application doing DNS can't detect which are in
> play, so the application developer has to try pick a safe default
> I guess. Not an easy task.
> 

Well I guess the draft under discussion is trying to make it such that cooperating endpoint don’t have to just pick a safe default (in a user population of two, at least one of us will be unhappy with that default!), and can ideally make a more informed decision.

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Neil Cook
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