Re: [apps-discuss] Proposal for a Finance Area Mailing List

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 08 March 2012 15:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Proposal for a Finance Area Mailing List
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Walter <walter.stanish@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Walter, what we're looking for here is some public discussion that
>> results in at least some reasonable level of understanding about what
>> would be discussed on the mailing list you propose,
>
> Is it really necessary to have people already participating in this
> mailing list express interest in order to justify a new list on a
> specific subject? Whilst I can understand the tradition, this does
> seem like a bit of a paradox to me: surely interested parties are to
> be drawn to such a mailing list from related corners of the wider
> internet community?

So, there may be some missing history here.  Some time ago, the IETF
had a working group called TRADE (archives visible here:
http://lists.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/) that produced IOTP (RFC
2801, 2802, 2803, along with some updates, including errata published
in RFC 3504).    Though it had sufficient activity to produce some
documents, it did not seem to get a lot of use with version 1 and
version 2 languished because working group was so low (a handful of
folks in the room low).   It eventually got shut down because there
were simply too few people engaged to call consensus on the results.

For areas that are new to the IETF or for which previous engagement
did not produce a lot of results, it does make sense to me to ask for
a demonstration that there is a community of interest in the work.
Donald Eastlake, who chaired TRADE, may have more insight.

regards,

Ted Hardie