Re: [Banana] Charter Text w/Milestones

"Function" means an activity or purpose of an object.  It's used widely outside of computing and networking (eg, biology and medicine).  One can make reasonable sentences with the word function.  Eg: "The gateway may perform the BANANA function in addition to its other duties."  "The brain is responsible for any number of vital physiological functions."

"Box" means a container with a flat bottom.  Computer servers have sometimes been called boxes because they are shaped like boxes and many operating systems end in "X", making for nice ear-worms: eg VAX box, UNIX box, Linux box.  Similarly, we are only having this discussion because BANANA box sounds good.  If there weren't a "B" in BANANA, nobody would want to use BANANA box.  Box makes no sense -- one thinks of a yellow box with bananas inside it -- but it is fun to say.  If we're good with BANANA, though, it's hard to argue that "box" is the problem!

I don't really care what anyone calls it.  As long as there is CMT-SCTP or some other mostly-baked solution hidden somewhere in the pile of bananas, I'm good.

-----Original Message-----
From: Banana [mailto:banana-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
Sent: May 26, 2017 07:23 AM
To: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>
Cc: Margaret Cullen <margaretw42@gmail.com>; banana@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Banana] Charter Text w/Milestones

I disagree. This term is all over in the IETF documents. It is not limited to any particular wg as such. 
Please have a look at for example:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-05

Service Function Chaining (SFC) Architecture
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7665#page-15

and the whole set of documents from the sfc wg.

Problem Statement: Overlays for Network Virtualization uses term functionality, not "boxes"
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7364.txt
  Overlay gateway functionality could be combined with other network
   functionality into a network device that implements the overlay
   functionality and then forwards traffic between other internal
   components that implement functionality such as full router service,
   load balancing, firewall support, VPN gateway, etc.

Can you show the otherwise?

- Hannu

-----Original Message-----
From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:jch@irif.fr]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:54 AM
To: Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) <hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com>
Cc: Margaret Cullen <margaretw42@gmail.com>; banana@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Banana] Charter Text w/Milestones

>> I agree, the specific term "function" is specific to a fairly 
>> specific community.

> Well, the specific community seems to be networking community. Don't 
> you agree?

No, it's very specific to a certain culture.  Other cultures would use different terms -- the Iron Age "Seven Layers" culture would say "BANANA Service", the Broze Age "Internet" culture would say "BANANA Protocol", while the Neolithic "ARPANET" culture would say "BANANA Program".

-- Juliusz

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