Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs

Benny Pedersen <me@junc.eu> Mon, 17 April 2023 03:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Signaling MLMs
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Hector Santos skrev den 2023-04-17 05:06:

> Anyway, there are far too much waste in electronic mail, ADSP/DMARC
> and this quest to resolve its issues, creating more junk, ARC, is not
> getting anywhere.

?, spamassassin 4, do something, i use fuglu in prequeue smtpd postfix, 
works for me atleast, it sometimes helps to be a gentoo ebuild 
maintainer, i still like to find proxy maintainers helping me

with arc its sadly appled AFTER mailman have scrampled dkim :/

arc sign/seal should be done on incomming mails, not on outgoing