Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing
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From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>
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Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing
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From: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 9:44 PM To: Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> Cc: paul.hoffman@icann.org; dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Scott On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 1:42 PM Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > wrote: [SAH] We might be disagreeing on the nature of experimentation, but I most definitely provided examples of specific, measurable metrics that could be used to evaluate an experiment: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dns-privacy/tA7Wo_cllWhWqjwaQTs50Ses-KI/ <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1rqB_3Wjy4E9-TRoAKzvMoQEKW0JvsNYYOhZ-0tm5cRnZFGoDRTR18vQ0zGASp68NiV85QiHyV-0-455x9gN9gqn7lzlpDlhh0B_uqky1QiwnOD7IBvzDf-lfoEk0i5V3zp7LRPGKUnEkN8xNBXZEKN7HBhIb60ugl5T5CIwKmMscyn2QTmiRv14lHcigy9x1PIvfxAtYmvnc_O7P8UfuKP6AFCz-dc02miE8k9k97LDoCSZQGhv1rV-gHjjDkbPhWSou8yDY9Eb1hzqxXPB4GoCDsQvjrBy_kRDJHcMtD4oy_101l9riAh4YoMY80f92/https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fdns-privacy%2FtA7Wo_cllWhWqjwaQTs50Ses-KI%2F> WRT observations, we do have a WG wiki we could use: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/dprive <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1swQEBenLfIYyHQGjOabvyt5UKR2YL-XlrbeTlAk5mvQwU1G9AQMDFYiZqLOE5P2J08xcxYnyXXLGun1EQLputcHErJXa48X3MHFUta2xDRaWwnX_go_bVHKK3yl-JQAx5uQXU7EpjT4Qn6QOhoBf3YlX7VP4AJJ6_DPcmStquK530QFGZdBdMpik3WiG0Tdj3OgCN8p6UoEa3EQlso5TeEq7Ksv8e51Pm2BAprbuuXdHHVgQnjoq0WvxtT76rlBxSWyOXjIY2DYg4lGeaPITkv1KxDMZpcOv0Y-sp-tXIc0g3fc4Vs3ed4RBD1VbwG7k/https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ietf.org%2Fgroup%2Fdprive> Would you be able to produce some of these measurements based on experiments you run? That would be super useful. tim [SAH] I’m looking into what I can and cannot do. Scott
- [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral… Brian Haberman
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Joey Salazar
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Brian Haberman
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Wessels, Duane
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Brian Haberman
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Petr Špaček
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Ralf Weber
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Ralf Weber
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… George (Yorgos) Thessalonikefs
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Brian Haberman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… George (Yorgos) Thessalonikefs
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Brian Haberman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Philip Homburg
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Philip Homburg
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… George (Yorgos) Thessalonikefs
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… George (Yorgos) Thessalonikefs
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Philip Homburg
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Philip Homburg
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [dnsdir] [Ext] WGLC : draft-iet… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [dns-privacy] [dnsdir] [Ext] WGLC : draft-iet… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [dns-privacy] [dnsdir] [Ext] WGLC : draft-iet… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [dnsdir] [Ext] WGLC : draft-iet… Florian Obser
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Brian Haberman
- Re: [dns-privacy] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilat… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-… joeygsal