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Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing

"Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> Mon, 05 June 2023 20:53 UTC

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From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dns-privacy <dns-privacy-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 4:02 PM
> To: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
> Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-
> probing
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> On Jun 5, 2023, at 12:45 PM, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Chairs and Eric are working on the asumption that the document will be
> parked waiting for another implementation or two and some interopt testing
> >
> > However, we are usinfg this time for Early area reviews which will feel will
> bei invaluable moving forward.
> > We focused on the Security area, Int Area, and those pesky DNS folks to
> review the documennt
> >
> > I believe at IETF 117 there was some discussion of some interopt testing
> during the hackathon?
> > I may have made that up also.
> >
> > The authors have been working diligently updating their work, and Paul is just
> letting the WG know they've done their part.
> 
> Er, no, we really do believe that all the interop testing done at IETF 116, which
> is reported in the draft, is sufficient. It is certainly more than the amount that
> many other protocols get before they are published as RFCs.
> 
> How much more interop testing is needed before the document can proceed?
> There will be parties like Verisign that will never want this to be on standards
> track, which is fine, but that has never been an acceptable reason to block
> progress when there are others who have already implemented it.

[SAH] To be clear: Verisign, an authoritative name server operator, is not opposed to this draft being on the standards track. I support publication in a manner that's consistent with the WG charter. I *am* opposed to the draft being a candidate for standards track publication as long as the charter says "experimental".

Scott

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