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Re: [DNSOP] Delegation acceptance checks [was: Re: [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition]

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 12 May 2023 02:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Delegation acceptance checks [was: Re: [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition]
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>> Yeah, that's a better way to put it. But the main point still stands,
>> that it would be a signficant operational change to insist that all
>> delegated NS be active when delegated, and even moreso to insist that
>> they continue to be active.
>
> No, it is not a “significant” change.  It should just be a minor extension
> of the existing requirement to keep the NS and glue records consistent.
>
> Even if it was you just introduce it with a soft start.  Just start checking
> the delegations of every TLD like zone then report the broken servers
> publicly and email the contacts for the delegation.  The tools for checking
> already exist.

Well, OK, you do that, half the emails bounce, half of what's delivered is 
reported as spam, and the third half are ignored.  Now what?

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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