Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

Edward Lewis <> Wed, 03 May 2023 15:53 UTC

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On 5/1/23, 12:58 PM, "DNSOP on behalf of John Kristoff" < on behalf of> wrote:

    On Mon, 1 May 2023 16:09:23 +0000
    Paul Hoffman <> wrote:

    > It would be grand if a bunch more people would speak up on this
    > thread.

    I'm not particularly satisfied with the requirement that there must be
    a response to meet the definition, but that seems to be the consensus
    even if most seem to agree it is imperfect.  I won't derail.  Until
    someone comes up with better terminology, I'm likely still going to
    refer to all those many cases we see in operation (usually due to a bad
    configuration) as a form of lame delegation when a delegation is
    effectively broken. :-)

When there is a timeout situation, there can be no conclusion about the remote end's status.

It could be that the remote end is properly set up to answer for a zone, but queries to the server are dropped on the way there.  Or responses dropped on the way back.  Or that the timeout is simple too quick.  The timeout may have nothing at all to do with the remote end.