Re: [DNSOP] Delegation acceptance checks [was: Re: [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition]

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 08 May 2023 17:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Delegation acceptance checks [was: Re: [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition]
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It appears that Kim Davies  <kim.davies@iana.org> said:
>With that said, I think the root zone is probably not an instructive
>use case for the broader question. Unlike typical zones, at the root it
>can be said every delegation is to critical Internet infrastructure and
>therefore the calculus around process complexity and efficiency would be
>weighted differently.

Oh, I completely agree.  My point was just that even in the root which is small and you
would hope would change slowly, it's still a challenge to track what's lame.

R's,
John