Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> Mon, 01 May 2023 21:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition
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On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 16:24, Mark Delany <[m9p@india.emu.st](mailto:On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 16:24, Mark Delany <<a href=)> wrote:

> On 01May23, John Kristoff apparently wrote:
>> (usually due to a bad configuration)
>
> Was any "lame" situation defined which wasn't the result of a bad configuration?

Yes -- some people (not me) would evidently describe a server that they didn't receive a response from as lame. Such a situation could be a result of a bad configuration but also any number of other things, such as a network problem or a misconfigured firewall.

From one conversation off-list, I think part of the problem with this word results from regional differences in language. To me the word "lame" is a synonym for "cripplied" in the sense of not being able to walk or run as expected, which seems like a reasonable analogy for a server that is badly configured (albeit one that is a bit uncomfortably ableist). To others it just means generally bad.

Joe

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