Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus" recall petitions

"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Fri, 25 October 2019 10:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus" recall petitions
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Hi Brian,

I think I disagree quite strongly.

>> c.  Those who have never attended.
>
> also seems to me to be a proxy for "Those who have very
> limited personal knowledge of the person being recalled,
> so may not be capable of fair assessment of their conduct."
>
> Personally I'm more worried about that than the risk of gaming
> or DOSsing the system. Now while it's true that a non-attendee
> might have frequently met the recallee at (say) ITU-T meetings,
> it's still probably the best proxy we've got for "very limited personal
> knowledge". Assuming, of course, that we think such personal
> knowledge is needed.

Or, at least, I did agree until the last sentence.

Struggling to circumvent Godwin's Law here, but you don't have to have personal acquaintance with someone to know that they are not doing their job well. It is not material that they are going through a hard time and need help and counselling: hopefully they have friends who can see this and help them. If is not relevant that they are really a nice person: they can be a great socialite with a GSOH, but if they have only ever done harmful things in their position, that is what is being looked at.

But, contrarywise, the exact point, the substance, of a recall petition is based on "personal knowledge" of the recallee. That is, they have done something sufficiently egregious and notable to the petitioners that a recall is deemed appropriate.

Best,
Adrian