Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus" recall petitions

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Sun, 27 October 2019 23:09 UTC

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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 16:07:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus" recall petitions
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Hi Michael,
At 11:49 AM 27-10-2019, Michael Richardson wrote:
>For instance, will in SMs document, it is unclear to me who is eligible to be
>(randomly) selected for the recall committee.  Do the new criteria apply?
>(it doesn't say that).

The latest version of the document is at 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moonesamy-recall-rev-02  Section 
3.1 intents to update the first four paragraphs of Section 7.1 of RFC 
7437 by replacing them.

>If so, then the group of people who remove a member is different than the
>group who can seat them.

The document does not make any change to the other sections of RFC 
7437, e.g. the one about the creation of the Recall Committee.  The 
group is not different.

>If it's the original nomcom eligibility criteria, then the group of people
>who can sign the petition might not be able to participate in the actual
>removal.   But, maybe we don't even WANT any of the 10 (or 20) signators of
>the original petition to be on the recall committee....  maybe we want them
>available to "testify"?

That text in Section 7.3 was reviewed by two IESGs.  If it was 
unclear, it should have been flagged during the IESG evaluations.

>Section 2.2 about Remote Participants tells me nothing about how the criteria
>would apply.  Registered remotely... but did they pick up their badge?
>(Because I think the secretariat removes people from the list who didn't show
>up in person)

The IETF 105 attendance list has 861 remote participants.  The list 
is probably incorrect as there isn't a last name or first name for 
Row 1.  It should be possible to get a list of remote attendees from 
Meetecho.  Are there "blue sheets" for remote participants?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy