Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus" recall petitions
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Thu, 24 October 2019 22:38 UTC
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:15:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus" recall petitions
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Hi Eliot, At 01:24 PM 24-10-2019, Eliot Lear wrote: >That is a fair point. But I liked Barry's groupings: > >a. Those who have attended in person 3/5 (status quo) >b. Those who have previously attended attended in person but are now remote. >c. Those who have never attended. > >I don't think many people could seriously object to group (b) being >added. The concern is primarily with group (c). There is also a >certain amount of skin in the game that may be of value. The skin >in the game could take the form of meeting attendance or having >written an RFC or having had a draft adopted by a WG. These are all >pretty good indicators and there may be others (open source authors >having implemented a spec, for instance). The idea is not to set >the bar too high for people who are using our stuff, but high enough >still that gaming would be unlikely. I met Cisco and Huawei employees who encouraged people from Africa to participate in the IETF. I'll disclose that I am affiliated with one of the organizations which provided support for those efforts. Would those persons be classified under (c)? There are Area Directors and other participants who made an argument about "good faith". Is that applicable to a person classified in (c)? I received a question from a few of those persons about regular participation in the IETF. I doubt that they would understand the meaning of "skin in the game". Would an Area Director tell them that they have to pay US $3,000 to be eligible? I attended a conference in a Southern African country recently. There was a session about regulations. IETF RFCs were mentioned in the presentation and as part of the session discussion. Has anyone on this mailing list been to that region? If so, what is the risk of those persons "gaming" the recall process? Regards, S. Moonesamy
- [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "bogus… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… John C Klensin
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Pete Resnick
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Pete Resnick
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Pete Resnick
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… John C Klensin
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… John C Klensin
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] Handling the fear of "b… Michael Richardson