Re: [Forces-protocol] Re: querry message (path vs attribute)
Jamal Hadi Salim <hadi@znyx.com> Mon, 25 October 2004 04:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Forces-protocol] Re: querry message (path vs attribute)
From: Jamal Hadi Salim <hadi@znyx.com>
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On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:41, Wang,Weiming wrote: > Jamal, > > Hormuzd, pls also give some feadback. I also add Joel to the list again for the > discussion. > > Regards, > Weiming > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamal Hadi Salim" <hadi@znyx.com> > Subject: Re: [Forces-protocol] Re: querry message (path vs attribute) > > > > Weiming, > > > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 07:40, Wang,Weiming wrote: > > > Jamal, > > > > > > Firstly, I think it may be unwise to remove some editorial note when the > isuuse > > > is still under discussion. I can clearly see many different opinions > regarding > > > the issue. Then, some of my thougt on adding such an editorial note as > below. > > > > > > > Is the concept of path still under discussion Weiming? Thats not my > > impression. And if not, why does it matter if the path is constructed > > from a single attribute or via table of table7 index 3 which is table8 ? > [Weiming]Jamal, it's really a under discussion topic. I can see different view > other than from me, you may miss me one person :), but it's true we have more. I > stopped the discussion for I paid more attention to draft rewriting. At least I > think Hormuzd also has some different views. > > > > > Regards, > > > Weiming > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jamal Hadi Salim" <hadi@znyx.com> > > > > > > > > > > > I think we need to add a definition for attribute. > > > > As far as iam concerned there is no such thing as a "attribute ID". > > > [Weiming] Then, I just can not see how we can recognize different attributes > in > > > a LFB. Note that a 'Path' is a ID that is used and defined by USERS rather > than > > > standadized by IETF, therefore it's impossible to recoganize different > > > attributes by 'path', and more, if the attribute ID is defined by USERS, > there > > > will be no interoperability. What I see the 'Attribute ID' is a standardized > by > > > IANA Identifier that is assigned to different attributes in all LFBs. > > > > The attribute IDs are defined by the person(s) who create the XML. > > The document/ClassID - that i can see as being owned by IANA. > > [Weiming] Even if the attribute(type) ID will only be defined by XML which > define LFBs (I still see the necessity for IANA to standardize the ID), it has > already meant the ID will not be assigned by USERS. Not defined by users, rather static - defined at LFB XML template creation time. OTOH, there are some more dynamic IDs that are usable such as a table index. > Then, if you want to have > 'path' include the ID, I suppose we should leave a specific section for the ID, > and the use of the section will be limited only for attribute type ID. To do > like this, I more prefer to have it as a separate spicific field. Note that I'm > not saying in any case, the 'path' is useless, I just suppose it can be put in > Data field. Actually hat I think the more reasonable addressing map for LFB > should be as follows: > > LFB class > / \ > LFB Instance ... > / \ > Attribue Type ... > / \ > Path to entries inside ... > > Rather than: > LFB class > / \ > LFB Instance ... > / \ > Path to entries ... > / \ > Attribute Type ... > Why do you have the attribute type? To get to the attribute i.e to know its path, you dont need to know its type. > The path can really be defined in Data as: > > Data : = Path <Entry> > > Can you tell me what's the harm if we just define the 'path' one step down to > the Data field. I just see it more flexible. > Above is what we have been refering to as path-data. Entry is the data. > > > > > > > What you specify is a path similar to an OID. Whether that path > > > > happens to be on an attribute, a table, an entry is not important > > > I see it may be important, the reason is as above. > > > > because that wuill be the lement you are pointing to. > > > > so lets remove this from the query section > > > [Weiming]I'v already put the 'path' as main select and the 'attribute > ID/table > > > ID' as a select for discussion. I don't have any intention to deny the > 'path'. > > > Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable currently to remove the note. > > > > > > > I think we need to define how a path is selected once; then use the word > > path everywhere. > [Weiming]So can you give more definition for the 'Path' then? Does it include > 'AttributeTypeID'? > 'AttributeTypeID' is not needed to get to the element. But the ID is needed. I have attached the noop LFB we looked at a while back, it may help reminding you a little ;-> cheers, jamal
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