Re: [gaia] What if all phones were always on the Internet?

[Arjuna Sathiaseelan <[e-mail]>]

Exactly -- if getting to the Internet is tough - just get the Internet to
you :)

https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/docs/p15-sathiaseelan.pdf
https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/docs/EGC15.pdf

Regards


On 28 November 2015 at 10:48, El Khatib, Yehia (elkhatib) <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Nice idea, Steve.
>
> The selectivity is slowly becoming in the hand of the consumer, as with
> newer Android versions like you mentioned.
>
> However, most services (read: majority of cloud-hosted services) are
> developed with an assumption of over provisioned networks. This results in
> "chatty application syndrome”, and becomes very apparent when you take said
> application and try to run it over a poor network. So my point is,
> developers could and perhaps should equip their services for deployment in
> poor network conditions. I wrote a short piece about this earlier in the
> year: http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~elkhatib/Docs/2015.11_ccis.pdf
>
> /Yehia
>
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> School of Computing & Communications
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> From: gaia <[e-mail]> on behalf of Steve Song <
> [e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, 27 November 2015 12:05
> To: gaia <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: [gaia] What if all phones were always on the Internet?
>
> Hi Arjuna,
>
> It is already possible, on Android, to turn off background data updates
> and to do per-app tuning of background updates and data consumption in
> general.  What I would imagine is that when a phone runs out of data and
> finds itself in basic rate mode, then it would only update apps/services
> that have been actively selected by the user e.g. whatsapp, twitter,
> signal, telegram, FB messenger, email, browser, etc. The selectivity about
> apps and services would then be in the hands of the consumer not the
> provider.
>
> Cheers... Steve
>
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 21:22, Arjuna Sathiaseelan <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Very nice Jim.
>>
>> One problem of giving specific low usage caps in access could be there is
>> quite a lot of mobile apps background traffic which randomly consume the
>> usage caps?
>>
>> As i pointed out earlier it will be really interesting to know what can
>> we browse/do with today's apps/services over 9.6 kbps..as steve mentioned
>> earlier this requires redesigning apps/content - FB is doing that but
>> 9.6kbps is really pushing the limit? how would today's transport protocols
>> work?
>>
>> Regards
>> On 26 Nov 2015 19:51, "Jim Forster" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> I think it’s a great idea!
>>>
>>> AirJaldi has been recently offering two different pre-paid hot spot
>>> systems.  One, called XWF (Express WiFi) is offered in Rishikesh and
>>> Garwhal district of Uttrakhand.  Facebook/Internet.org
>>> <http://internet.org> did the software for XWF; AirJaldi deployed the
>>> access points on our backbone in that district and manages the sales
>>> agents.  See this NY Time article
>>> <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/facebook-strives-to-bring-cheap-wi-fi-to-rural-india-2/> for
>>> more info.  It is intended that this system will use their Free Basics
>>> system to give free access to certain sites.
>>>
>>> The second pre-paid service AirJaldi has is called JaldiFi. A couple
>>> AirJaldi engineers did the software, using various Mikrotik & Ubiquity
>>> features.  JaldiFi is deploying in various places throughout AirJaldi’s
>>> network, including Kangra Valley, Kumaon, and Jharkand.  JaldiFi does not
>>> use Free Basics; instead we simply give registered users 10-20MB/day free
>>> service.  Registration is free and automated (users must supply a mobile
>>> phone number & then we send them a username/pw).  It’s obvious but worth
>>> noting that 10MB is 1/100th of 1GB, so a lot of ‘free’ users don’t impact
>>> the network much. It’s our belief that if the service is priced affordably,
>>> enough people will pay to make it worth our while.  Pricing is about
>>> Rs80/GB (~$1.25/GB), with some plans for as little Rs25.  Kumaon area
>>> prices are here <http://www.jaldifi.net/kumaon.html>.
>>>
>>> Mawingu in Kenya does it a little differently.  For about 300Ksh, users
>>> get high speed service for a month, or if they don’t have that much money,
>>> they can buy a week’s service for 100Ksh.  Mawingu doesn’t give them
>>> completely unlimited service, but we find that the great majority of
>>> customers don’t use too much for us; email & web browsing is easily
>>> accommodated, but heavy YouTube/video watching eats up the MBs quickly.
>>> The heaviest users will find then that their speed slowed way down, to
>>> about 128kbps.  That’s fine for email & tolerable for web browsing so
>>> they’re not cut off, but if they want more high speed for video, they’ll
>>> need to pay some more.
>>>
>>> US-centric salutation: Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>   — Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2015, at 6:36 AM, Steve Song <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Following on some of the previous discussion about the non-linear
>>> relationship between Internet speed and value to the consumer; and
>>> reflecting on some of the discussions on zero-rating at the IGF; and
>>> thinking further about the PAYG model that enabled the dramatic growth of
>>> mobile telephony in emerging markets, I came to the conclusion that a
>>> low-bitrate, always-on Internet for all mobile phones would benefit
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> https://manypossibilities.net/2015/11/zero-rating-a-modest-proposal/
>>>
>>> Would love to have the idea critiqued (gently).
>>>
>>> Thanks... Steve Song
>>>
>>>
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