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From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Sent: 15 August 2022 22:18

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/McRvkJ6UiNwJSKvGs0GPaqDfovA/

#1 - IMO it would be a pretty bad idea to apply Send_Hold_Timer to a booting node. If at all this timer should fire only after receiving the <EOR> marker on the session.

#2 - Authors of this draft target cases where a peer is stuck for "days/weeks" ... I am yet to see a BGP node taking that much to boot.

<tp>
At a slight tangent, the I-D fails to state when the timer should be running, in which of the FSM states, which leaves much to the imagination.  Since this is a function of TCP and not BGP, then it could be applicable as soon as there is a TCP connection and so apply to most state.


Tom Petch

Many thx,
R.

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