Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-05.txt (2/4/2021 to 2/18/2021)

"Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> Fri, 12 February 2021 18:01 UTC

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From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>, "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-05.txt (2/4/2021 to 2/18/2021)
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-05.txt (2/4/2021 to 2/18/2021)
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HI Sue,

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2021 at 12:32 PM
To: IDR List <idr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-05.txt (2/4/2021 to 2/18/2021)

Typo error.   Resending for clarity to the authors.

Greetings:

In this discussion we do not have consensus on the following things:

a) the problem this draft is drafting to solve relating to BGP routes,
b) the need for additional mechanisms to solve the problem,
c) a clear description of the technology to solve the problem.

It is difficult to do (b) and (c) without a consensus on the problem.  Since this is the 2nd time this draft has gone up for adoption, the co-chairs are considering the input from the list and will provide some suggestions to the authors.

The authors and those who are making comments on this draft are welcome to continue discussing the topic on-list.

A big thanks to the operators who have shared their view of the need for the technology and to all IDR members who have recalled that “clear speech and kindness can go together”.

I don’t see a lot of support from operators other than the co-authors.

Thanks,
Acee


Cheers, Sue