Re: AD Sponsorship of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Thu, 25 April 2019 16:21 UTC

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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: AD Sponsorship of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 05:17:00PM +0100, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> On 25/04/2019 17:04, Nico Williams wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:03:41AM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> > > Nico, you over-stretch the "normality" of the process, IMHO.
> > 
> > A bit, but the point is that if you cannot get an AD to sponsor the I-D
> > without a WG, well, then you still have that path.
> > 
> > Having to go through a WG is very much a possible and legitimate
> > outcome.
> 
> Well, that is not the only path.
> 
> Procedurally the authors could consider initiating an appeal or even perhaps
> a recall over the matter.

I did not know that an (all) AD's decision not to sponsor could be
appealed.  I don't see how a recall petition over the ADs' refusal to
sponsor could be anything other than frivolous.