Re: AD Sponsorship of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Thu, 25 April 2019 16:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: AD Sponsorship of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev
To: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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On 25/04/2019 17:04, Nico Williams wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:03:41AM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>> Nico, you over-stretch the "normality" of the process, IMHO.
> 
> A bit, but the point is that if you cannot get an AD to sponsor the I-D
> without a WG, well, then you still have that path.
> 
> Having to go through a WG is very much a possible and legitimate
> outcome.
> 
> Nico
> 

Well, that is not the only path.

Procedurally the authors could consider initiating an appeal or even 
perhaps a recall over the matter.

- Stewart