RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Thu, 22 May 2008 14:39 UTC
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:39:12 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Ed Juskevicius <edj@nortel.com>, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>, Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com>
Subject: RE: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration
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--On Thursday, 22 May, 2008 10:15 -0400 Ed Juskevicius <edj@nortel.com> wrote: > Steve: > >> Every so often someone suggests RFCs are not first class >> documents and hence not comparable to, say, "real" >> standards documents. Getting traditional identifiers attached >> to them might squelch some of this nonsense. > I have the impression that we would be pioneering the use of > an ISSN to identify a standards' series, if we choose to do > this. The "real" standards from other organizations seem to > be identified with individual ISBNs. If all RFCs were standards, this would be a good argument. However, the RFC series contains Standards, various types of substandards for which those other bodies either have no equivalents or publish differently, experimental protocol specifications, BCP statements, and an assortment of informational documents. What an ISSN identifies is the series, not the individual documents, and that series is _not_ a "standards series". My impression is that this type of application is not particularly novel. More on that next week. As I indicated in my note to Melissa, having an ISSN for the series would not prevent obtaining ISBNs and/or DOIs for selected individual documents, so those ideas are really completely separate questions. > Would the purveyors of nonsense be squelched by an ISSN, or > emboldened? Some might cite our decision as yet another > example of the IETF doing something different and > 'non-standard'. Very unlikely. At worst, we would be "accused" of illustrating ways in which an existing standard mechanism can be carried forward in interesting ways into the modern Internet age. On the other hand, if we treat RFCs as basically paper (and page-format) publications that are freely available online as I suggested in an earlier note, this becomes that most routine of applications. > Marshall, to your point: > >> It is easy to find RFC's now, but it may not be in a century. >> >> This may seem silly, but I think that RFCs will still >> have relevance in a century and, having experience >> searching for 100+ year old astronomical publications >> and data, in my opinion, RFC's need to be cataloged in >> libraries. >> >> Libraries have running code for the maintenance of >> intellectual property over centuries; the IETF does not. > > I agree with you 100%. I think this is indeed a tangible and > desirable objective. Indeed. And libraries, especially the subset of libraries that have national archival responsibilities, do pay attention to these identifiers. john _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
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- Re: [IAOC] ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration Marshall Eubanks
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