Re: Question about pre-meeting document posting deadlines for the IESG and the community

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 17 March 2024 04:38 UTC

Return-Path: <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E87C14F749 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.905
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.905 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uyQ43P-lL4VA for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wfhigh7-smtp.messagingengine.com (wfhigh7-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.158]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6088C14CE5D for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:38:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.48]) by mailfhigh.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4A8180009C; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:38:16 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:38:16 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1710650295; x= 1710736695; bh=b3DbJ+ogE/PvwZhKP3NzcHUZg+SwaYX+nsLo38P7Kcc=; b=W nPp2NDA+irMr6Mt6XFBWvxREp8Qko1eBLeuI1BRkP8Xs0scFL52V7eFZ5yjNVr9K S/Je0jor5VaWB1Bn7qF2GX1qpMyAqy4tzQqQl09U3/KJqbFtNpOBtFZNLAS/wZkY Kcrd2f97sQyUdo/or2Zsm0KOE8AO/CcaIBbeQBnK7LO/2FGRcUPZfdFeycBCNhOe uOux27x1Q8sMnq21zQleODVz/4huQ2xuLojE1n3Qmw5GU+vlkCvuRCUJw1yCb/tg M6ESu60WjlsE4DoZWGTRKin+irSbi5OMq37DKa0Rs5vEs0VsePr51ARF4PUK0oJi 2bIzK0HQtJlG8j4alqeZA==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:t3P2ZTg5kwRGwhBPdGaA2klEiQPRfmLluxadBrXGRIPBhtVq8BeTqw> <xme:t3P2ZQDJrc8D5FtjJZQ2J0Aw1_LF7jpOfgK5pIg1E18L1fU6osVa4zlZdraLbtTbs TsDtXjSOQPKRw>
X-ME-Received: <xmr:t3P2ZTHt9NIcHr_umr9eCl6Lt5wqOQk4Z6ckPB-VhCxD_nyQq4c3GX6Y2-jw2aVGbyna4Z5yQznC8fwwxP5riZdHDvGswdtO>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvledrkeefgdejgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepkfffgggfuffvvehfhfgjtgfgsehtje ertddtvdejnecuhfhrohhmpefmvghithhhucfoohhorhgvuceomhhoohhrvgesnhgvthif ohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedtuddvvefgff fhledugfehtddtgeekgfeutefhhfeiudelhfekfeeggfdtgeeutdenucevlhhushhtvghr ufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmohhorhgvsehnvghtfihorh hkqdhhvghrvghtihgtshdrtghomh
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:t3P2ZQRwckvyBIMV7Lh4UBqh1pMZvQGfYo4fKRyW2RbFomhz1qRgxw> <xmx:t3P2ZQwOUeiv4rw_MleCNFtFVu8L0CDlkZD_WuWoK-auhhYbxxUFEQ> <xmx:t3P2ZW5fGJnW48qaQggSYni8BMzl1Pqhl6kh6BG6VtpppUfUplCQxw> <xmx:t3P2ZVwHI-VWx2jK600S4CgsqpscGxnV1U9MrvAOyvphAgXsD5PlCw> <xmx:t3P2Zc8E-OGlQTMOqxnIPezn_0HZoMsxrAu6PL5_idD4QpV2PG_jrF1MH9I>
Feedback-ID: i5d8c41f0:Fastmail
Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:38:15 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <65310920-b494-4bfa-9e12-7b91bd3c0ca3@network-heretics.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:38:15 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Subject: Re: Question about pre-meeting document posting deadlines for the IESG and the community
Content-Language: en-US
To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Cc: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, ietf@ietf.org
References: <7826C4F13FA874CD79459A4B@PSB> <65A7921B-2A05-439A-976C-226560C5E7F4@strayalpha.com> <e0702d8a-cea5-4928-b571-98442ccd4f29@petit-huguenin.org> <6d0c6b07-2fc3-496c-ba66-dc40cbf46df8@dfn.de> <69EE71C9-C42B-49A6-BC0D-508F799DB68E@tzi.org> <1d301b86-c994-4a9c-810c-9a42e12a0ad8@network-heretics.com> <53C617FA98D84931861C1F59@PSB> <CAL0qLwbwC4fvu4b3=oyFmOduxHPmTYJRTXBAXFDk9xi+7=FLdA@mail.gmail.com> <05d98ba9-e023-4664-a18a-48ceba2aaed4@network-heretics.com> <CAL0qLwbdeNwry_7+z4RMsaV+Xzm+AQc2_cPdgG2fcbunw6oaVA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAL0qLwbdeNwry_7+z4RMsaV+Xzm+AQc2_cPdgG2fcbunw6oaVA@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Kz5fWLx1StZzpWfrkmvMHSMw3A4>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing list, intended for discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist." <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 04:38:23 -0000

On 3/17/24 00:36, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

>
> Well, we seem to be okay with some working groups having design teams, 
> most not; some working groups with one chair, most with two, a few 
> with three; some use github, many do not; some do interims, many do 
> not; etc.
>
> I think it's a feature, not a bug, that we allow such flexibility.

I would evaluate each of those facets separately, rather than try to 
generalize the desirability of them all.

Keith