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Re: Question about pre-meeting document posting deadlines for the IESG and the community

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 24 March 2024 16:10 UTC

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:09:54 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Question about pre-meeting document posting deadlines for the IESG and the community
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--On Sunday, March 24, 2024 12:41 +1000 Michael Richardson
<mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
 
> John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
>  I think where we disagree is that I'm at least a little
> more concerned about working groups that become too
> homogeneous and resistant to "outsider" views and input.
> Now, I think such WGs are quite rare in the IETF, but I
> have seen a few situations that I have trouble
> interpreting in any other way.  Ideally, I'd
>...
 
> Quite rare, yet worth multiple long emails over many years and
> a lot of hand-wringing. Please name some names!  Don't be shy.
> 
> At the least, please tell the ADs and/or the IETF Chair.

They have been told, long before this exchange.

    john

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