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Re: Question about pre-meeting document posting deadlines for the IESG and the community

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sat, 16 March 2024 23:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: Question about pre-meeting document posting deadlines for the IESG and the community
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On 3/16/24 17:20, Carsten Bormann wrote:

> The current times (close 2 weeks before, open 1 day before) are exactly
> what is needed in a good number of cases, and their consistency helps
> people who want to do work across WGs.

Nothing's perfect, but IMO the current 2 week deadlines are a good 
compromise most of the time.

I'm less sure about opening submission to new drafts one day before a 
meeting. I might prefer that they be opened again the day after the 
meeting closes.

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