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Re: IESG Statement on surprised authors

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Sun, 31 May 2015 08:48 UTC

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Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 10:48:23 +0200
From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: IESG Statement on surprised authors
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There's a basic principle at stake: don't lie and don't mislead, either
directly, indirectly, or through omission.  We make an exception for
April 1 RFCs, which may do all three.

Eliot

On 5/30/15 5:14 PM, David Farmer wrote:
>> On May 30, 2015, at 01:48, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like this draft, but I suggest that it apply to ALL RFCs (not just the
>> IETF stream).
>>
>> Eliot
>>
> Sorry but I disagree. Not ALL RFCs, to exemplify why, I think the use of a humorous nom de plume or a sarcastic acknowledgement would be perfectly legitimate for RFCs published on a particular day in the spring.
>
> Authorship, contribution, and acknowledgement are serious and important issues, but that is no reason to completely abandon or exclude humor and sarcasm in appropriate doses.
>

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