Re: Challenge: was Re: Updated Nomcom 2020-2021: Result of random selection process

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Sat, 11 July 2020 04:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: Challenge: was Re: Updated Nomcom 2020-2021: Result of random selection process
From: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:46:26 -0700
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To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> 
> Given how Luigi could have simply said "i withdraw from serving", an
> interpretation like the one Michael and you are alluding to would just
> create an incentive in similar future case for volunteers to not be fully
> forthcoming as to their motivation to withdraw so as not to punish
> colleagues in a new employer they just joined.

That incentive has its own response, once detected. 

> Thats quite silly. 

Conflict of interest is not about ONE possible scenario that YOU (or anyone else) find valid. It’s about whether ANY of US consider ANY possible scenario unacceptable.

What you call “silly” some of us call “ethics”.

Joe