Re: Challenge: was Re: Updated Nomcom 2020-2021: Result of random selection process

[Olafur Gudmundsson <[e-mail]>]

I agree with Mike’s analysis 
Olafur


> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Michael StJohns <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi - 
> 
> I hate to do this, but I'm going to be challenging this particular outcome as it isn't strictly following the rules - basically, Luigi may not be replaced by Tal.  He either serves, or if he declines to serve, the next person on the list - not Tal - will be selected.
> 
> Here's my reasoning:
> 
> After Luigi belatedly indicated his association with Huawei, the defined process results in him remaining on the list but Tal being disqualified (as there being 2 previous Huawei people selected before him).   If Luigi - at a later time - decided he couldn't serve, we don't reach back on the list for the previously disqualified people, we look forward - e.g. Tal once disqualfied is no longer a candidate for future pulls.  If the next selected (#13 I think) is Huawei, they could serve as Luigi's departure would move the Huawei count back down to 1.
> 
> The whole idea of this random draw is that people can't pick and choose to substitute someone else for themselves.  Ideally, we would do a new random number generator for each additional selection rather than continuing down the list to completely eliminate those possibilities, but in the current model, I believe Tal is disqualified and will stay that way.
> 
> If Luigi still wants to remove himself, then the next selectee will be the one in the 13th position, not Tal in the disqualified 8th.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/8/2020 1:09 PM, NomCom Chair 2020 wrote:
>> Luigi Iannone has informed me his affiliation has recently changed to "Huawei". That would make 3 Huawei people, which means one must be disqualified. 
>> Luigi requested that, since he was the person who didn't mention this prior to selection, he should be the one removed. I have no problem with this, so I will honor this request rather than removing Tal Mizrahi (as the last of the Huawei people selected). 
>> 
>> So, here is the updated list:
>> 
>> 65. Dirk Kutscher, University of Applied Sciences Emden/Leer
>> 114. Ketan Jivan Talaulikar, Cisco Systems, India
>> 127. Christopher Wood, Cloudflare
>> 38. Xuesong Geng, Huawei
>> 121. Rüdiger Volk, no affiliation
>> 86. Gabriel Montenegro, Independent
>> 18. Pablo Camarillo, Cisco Systems
>> 13. Chris Bowers, Juniper Networks
>> 85. Tal Mizrahi, Huawei
>> 94. Tony Przygienda, Juniper
>> 
>> Disqualified selections are noted below:
>> 58. LUIGI IANNONE, Huawei (Maximum of 2 for Huawei reached) - 8th in randomness order, but requested to be the one removed
>> 96. Reshad Rahman, Cisco (Maximum Number of 2 for Cisco reached) - 10th in randomness order
>> 
>> With this updated announcement, the challenge period continues through Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 23:59 UTC, wherein the community may challenge the results to the NomCom Chair (in writing, by email).  See RFC 8713, Section 4.17 for details.
>> 
>> I will be contacting the selected volunteers to ensure they remain willing and available to serve.
>> 
>> Random selection data used:
>> 
>> ** Random Source 1 - EuroMillions Lottery **
>> ** Date - Tuesday July 7, 2020 **
>> EuroMillions Lottery Results
>> https://www.euro-millions.com/results <https://www.euro-millions.com/results>
>> Tuesday, July 7, 2020 Results (drawn after 21:00 CEST):
>> https://www.euro-millions.com/results/07-07-2020 <https://www.euro-millions.com/results/07-07-2020>
>> (7 numbers, including the star balls: 5 numbers between 1 and 50 and 2 star balls between 1 and 12)  
>> 
>> 12 16 23 33 41 8 10
>> 
>> ** Random Source 2 - US Total Debt **
>> ** Date - Monday July 6, 2020 **
>> US Total Debt
>> https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/pd_debttothepenny.htm <https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/pd_debttothepenny.htm>
>> Monday July 6, 2020 (as published after 3pm EDT on Tuesday July 7): 
>> (Last 8 digits entered as a single number, ignore the commas and periods -- 6 digits before the period and 2 digits after) 
>> 
>> 23703560
>> 
>> ** Random Source 3 - Australian TattsLotto **
>> ** Date - Saturday July 4, 2020 **
>> TattsLotto Results
>> https://thelott.com/tattslotto/results <https://thelott.com/tattslotto/results> 
>> Saturday July 4, 2020 results:
>> (6 winning numbers, between 1 and 45; no Supps numbers)
>> 
>> 17 31 33 35 39 42 
>> 
>> ** Random Source 4 - Emirates Loto **
>> ** Date - Saturday July 4, 2020 **
>> https://www.emiratesloto.com/loto/winningnumber/previous <https://www.emiratesloto.com/loto/winningnumber/previous>
>> Saturday July 4 results:
>> (6 winning numbers, between 1 and 49)
>> 
>> 10 20 21 24 26 34 
>> 
>> --------------- tool output -----------
>> Key is:
>>  8.10.12.16.23.33.41./23703560./17.31.33.35.39.42./10.20.21.24.26.34./
>> index        hex value of MD5        div  selected
>>  1  270D83B3AFE172BE3DAE13D5AFE10025  143  -> 65 <-
>>  2  FE6FBE4A6FCAEFD6570D957596C0BC9A  142  -> 114 <-
>>  3  AD10AAF6B527062D0E2F0E7B29AD3546  141  -> 127 <-
>>  4  8614C1D4C4EBFACE6A5049AF1F9782CD  140  -> 38 <-
>>  5  7D1EE81F1788AEA0FF359230F8096076  139  -> 121 <-
>>  6  E7013327C78EA666CFA0ADD69E017D37  138  -> 86 <-
>>  7  67135E88868DFC359459BF509920ACBD  137  -> 18 <-
>>  8  ADDCDE6B8985E911E19CC6107B587597  136  -> 58 <-
>>  9  D520F04487BA1AFE92B49AE7C613A7D0  135  -> 13 <-
>> 10  4CC1EA463D3BC82C7009830F8ACDF431  134  -> 96 <-
>> 11  9366F9278BD4CEE289093677432B2C03  133  -> 85 <-
>> 12  A60E734755D605CD1189716F7FB1183E  132  -> 94 <-
>> 
>> Barbara Stark
>> nomcom-chair-2020 at ietf dot org
>> 
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