Re: Copying conditions
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> Thu, 07 October 2004 09:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: Copying conditions
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Francis Dupont <Francis.Dupont@enst-bretagne.fr> writes: > In your previous mail you wrote: > > > i.e. the rights under 3667 are the same as under 2026 its just stated > > more clearly > > Even if that is true, it would not change that the current copying > conditions are a problem for the free software community, and in my > opinion, consequently the IETF. > > => I can't understand why the copyright about a text is a problem > for software when the documentation is explicitely "without > restriction of any kind". Where does it say this? Note that the quote I sent earlier was the old RFC 2026 copying condition, which I agree with you is OK. The new text is in RFC 3667, which seem murkier to me. I cannot find "without restriction" in it, for example. However, Scott Bradner suggested that the old RFC 2026 text may not be permissive enough to allow for derivative works. I have asked lawyers to look at this now, to be certain. > Perhaps we don't share the meaning of "derivative works" (for me, > this can't be code itself)? If you extract, say, a C header file, or an ASN.1 schema, from an RFC into an application, I believe that may be regard as a "derivative work". Thanks, Simon _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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