Re: Hum theatre
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 07 November 2013 17:40 UTC
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On 11/7/2013 8:14 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> But Russ didn't ask for a "feeling". Russ said that he was asking about >> consensus, and Tim heard that the result of those hums *were* the IETF >> coming to consensus. > > i took it as the consensus of the *room*, and it would be taken to the > lists to be nibbled to death by ducks. That's nice. Does recitation of your personal interpretation mean that it is irrelevant that others interpreted differently? I've already heard one senior participant promise to use the results of the hum as leverage for working group activity. Or do you mean that it is irrelevant that it was conducted in a manner that /guaranteed/ it would be interpreted differently? That would imply that shared understanding of a strategic position for the IETF doesn't matter. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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