Re: draft-bradner-rfc-extracts-00.txt

So Steven- the IETF is supposed to believe the person submitting the
materials??? - What is the damage to the original owner if the person is
lying. What is the damage? - the point is that the ENTIRE IETF process is
based on TRUST and no other in the world is. No financial payment system is
based on "well trust you to do it". No other IP Conveyance or release
process is.

I think this is exactly where we formally set in the historical record of
the IETF and IESG that the IETF must not just blindly believe without basic
releases, anything sent to it, or that it and the IESG are willing to accept
the financial damages that their lack of anything like reasonable diligence
provides here. Or, that its not and that there is an implicit damager to the
actual IP Owners in participating in the IETF.

This is it - Steven thanks!

Todd Glassey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
Cc: <ipr-wg@ietf.org>; "Scott Bradner" <sob@harvard.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: draft-bradner-rfc-extracts-00.txt

> In message <077401c50fed$64afdd40$84c2480c@gw>, "todd glassey" writes:
> >By the way - if a document filed for publication with the IETF has a
> >code-clip from some other copyrighted document, isn't this an issue as
far
> >as the authors re-conveying rights they dont own to the IETF? What I mean
is
> >dont you need a formal release from the cited copyright holder for the
code
> >clip to?
> >
>
> Section 5.1 of 3667 requires submitters to include this text:
>
>    "By submitting this Internet-Draft, I certify that any applicable
>    patent or other IPR claims of which I am aware have been disclosed,
>    and any of which I become aware will be disclosed, in accordance with
>    RFC 3668."
>
> Copyright would certainly be covered by "other IPR".  In other words, I
> don't disagree with you, but I do feel that it's already covered.
>
> --Prof. Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
>
>

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