Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map
Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> Wed, 07 November 2012 05:04 UTC
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From: Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>
To: Rolf Winter <Rolf.Winter@neclab.eu>, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map@tools.ietf.org>
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Hi Rolf, Apologies, missed. * I think that I understand what you mean by "CV on-demand" but CC/CV/RDI can not act in on-demand mode and LSP Ping is not the only on-demand MEP to MIP OAM mechanism. I feel that "CV on-demand" can not be attributed to LB; * I'd rather not refer to ambigious item. If one wants to perform PM to a MIP, that, IMHO, will be done with by SPME means, not by directly addressing MIP. Frankly, I can not come up with any other use case and thus propose to remove reference to "diagnostic tests". Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rolf Winter [mailto:Rolf.Winter@neclab.eu] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:26 PM To: Gregory Mirsky; Loa Andersson; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map Hi Greg, thanks. What's with the other two points. Would you accept these as resolutions/answers to your comments? Best, Rolf NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 6. November 2012 18:22 > To: Rolf Winter; Loa Andersson; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip- > mep-map@tools.ietf.org > Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: RE: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map > > Hi Rolf, > 802.1ag differentiates as Up or Down both MEP and MIP Half Function > (MHF). I assume that Y.1731 is not different (not much different). > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rolf Winter [mailto:Rolf.Winter@neclab.eu > <mailto:Rolf.Winter@neclab.eu> ] > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:52 PM > To: Gregory Mirsky; Loa Andersson; mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-tp- > mip-mep-map@tools.ietf.org > Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: RE: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map > > Hi Greg, > > thanks for the comments. Some relies inline. > > NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, > London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 > > > > * Section 3 > > > > * Note that RFC 6371 refers to per-interface MEP as Up and Down > > (Section 3.3, p.15) whereas in this document per-interface MIPs > > referred as in- and out-. I think that both types of Maintanence > > Points > > (MP) must use one terminology in regard to location in per-interface > > model. > > I see your point. But I think you could argue this two ways. I > personally liked in- and out-MIP as it illustrates the point of MIPs > being transit points and therefore somewhat different in nature. RFC > 6371 does talk about per-interface MIPs but does not name them in any > way, which I found strange at first. Can someone involved in the ITU-T > (or IEEE for that matter) maybe comment on terminology here. Up/Down > MEP is a commonly used term, but how about per interface-MIPs? > > > > > * Section 4. > > > > * I believe that CV operation can be performed only between MEPs, > > not between MEP and MIP, as stated in the document. > > Would qualifying it as on-demand CV work for you? > > > * I think that "diagnostic tests" is bit too open-ended and would > > suggest considering making this bullet more specific or removing it > > altogether. > > This is a term taken from 5860 - the OAM requirements. I agree that a > number of more specific OAM functions fall into the category of > diagnostic test, but using the term should be fine give that it has > been used already in RFCs. Would you agree? > > Thanks again, > > Rolf > > > > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org > > <mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org> > > <mailto:mpls- bounces@ietf.org <mailto:mpls- bounces@ietf.org> > ] > > On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:51 AM > > To: mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map@tools.ietf.org > > Cc: mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org; MPLS-TP ad hoc team > > Subject: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map > > > > Working Group, > > > > the authors of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map have indicated that > > the draft is ready for working group last call. > > > > Before we start the working group last call an IPT poll is needed. > > > > This is to start the IPR Poll. > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep- > > map? > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond > > to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any > > relevant IPR. The response needs to be sent to the MPLS wg mailing > > list. The documents will not advance to the next stage until a > > response has been received from each author and contributor. > > > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author > > or contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware > > of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF > rules. > > > > > > Thanks, Loa > > (as MPLS WG co-chair) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Loa Andersson email: > loa.andersson@ericsson.com > > Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu > > Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 > > +46 767 72 92 13 > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls> > > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls> > > > >
- [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep-map Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Manuel.Paul
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Yoshinori Koike
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Pablo Frank
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-tp-mip-mep… hideki.endo.es
- [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-mpls… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… t.petch
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… S. Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Pablo Frank
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… hideki.endo.es
- [mpls] Extended - Re: working group last call on … Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… hideki.endo.es
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Puneet Agarwal
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… S. Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last callondraft-ietf-mp… hideki.endo.es
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… S. Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last callondraft-ietf-mp… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group lastcallondraft-ietf-mpl… hideki.endo.es
- Re: [mpls] working group last call ondraft-ietf-m… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… S. Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group lastcallondraft-ietf-mpl… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group lastcallondraft-ietf-mpl… Shahram Davari
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] working group lastcallondraft-ietf-mpl… hideki.endo.es
- Re: [mpls] working grouplastcallondraft-ietf-mpls… hideki.endo.es
- Re: [mpls] working group lastcallondraft-ietf-mpl… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Manuel.Paul
- Re: [mpls] working grouplastcallondraft-ietf-mpls… hideki.endo.es
- Re: [mpls] working group last call on draft-ietf-… Rolf Winter
- [mpls] Working Group Last Call - closed. Re: Exte… Loa Andersson