Re: [Mtgvenue] Comments on draft-baker-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-02

[Dave Crocker <[e-mail]>]

On 11/7/2016 9:37 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> The text
> in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sullivan-mtgvenue-decisions-00#section-2.1 provides
> more of a hard line, if that’s what you’re looking for.


So yes, that text looks like a reasonable list of formal concerns.  As a 
formal exercise it's fine.

As a practical tool, not so much.

Over recent years, I'm aware of exactly one possible venue that such a 
list would have been used for -- a country with a formal rule of 
discrimination that imposed onerous procedures on the discriminated folk 
-- and the IAOC invoked an ad hoc assessment rule on its own, roughly 
matching the gist of what the proffered text seeks to cover.

The more common problem is behavioral patterns of country behavior that 
are not formally documented as policy, but which impede participation in 
the IETF.

So far, we don't seem to have any practice that seeks to account for 
such practices and include them in our assessment process.  We get post 
hoc anecdotal data, but nothing regularized in reporting or use.

That's what we really need (IMO)...

d/

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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net