Re: [Mtgvenue] Comments on draft-baker-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-02

Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Wed, 02 November 2016 13:01 UTC

Return-Path: <dcrocker@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: mtgvenue@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mtgvenue@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C585D129625 for <mtgvenue@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 06:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tsaKxnUkD676 for <mtgvenue@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 06:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yw0-x232.google.com (mail-yw0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 687E1129622 for <mtgvenue@ietf.org>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 06:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-yw0-x232.google.com with SMTP id t125so8168167ywc.1 for <mtgvenue@ietf.org>; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 06:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:subject:references:cc:reply-to:to:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/Hy2Y6gm20SIGeEVwcmXVKxCNZhVzPa46wXk2xQjvPE=; b=xIy6mVXGv1alF0ODCbuX8MX8duglrLM3XUJt/Bb+SvW+L/JwIkX/o52ABa6V3QwByX lfiHPaWC5zMrJlm0vtaUFBZZ366oyKQzOVvoJ6cw57oQP9/k0SkhO8xvexmNwb3uVPfI hZQZJ15UeoqVfAnWSqjXSFrftbdqq91bGEH4j8WYFjO5rGgdDZqbXOeAuH5psmMMTAya R/Ary/cQlIV47OdjARHz4eQqpw6b41Ou0I9EsATJZu0vY0JCsYz8LF1qpofVJ0PQ2D4i qMs+C6WxvC5I05pNKz1DNNOcEDp+i8Kiqt3SzTRff7osFSpxXjqWD5nJGx1whl9LPiSc AWaA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:references:cc:reply-to:to :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/Hy2Y6gm20SIGeEVwcmXVKxCNZhVzPa46wXk2xQjvPE=; b=PGvCPteGPGzBpeazHzle4KAXvkfXvAZ2ln1BknVhPTFwbTw9f6ewXswKg+PQ93pwTU +7iyOvtIaoaoaq13IbZrCUxE4PGrMzWLD70G3c5dTPrOGpGrWKHT82myralgb38QTSRY BUh4hGqCL4NC0gUPH0aPhlp7yEoYYYV5wySVY2HCQhYHms1HF7wQCQN7zzSMaowe04yJ eXcHp2Hr6qslBIW/0g3oQPO9cubskxM5ZMTcP8uYVPMtbVacyv0zsdLgaZPpUkbvNnnQ pEdQ+PJrG7rxBqnyZKOO9PP8Fe00ersxoYyV3U74b8zTJaYMOJ5aSYPhLpej74SSRBTm U7QQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveUAxQvU3yuLAD7pFUgxgupj5h0n9ijvHTCuJkUg8oPm2cn80DicYrh8hnlWmz8eQ==
X-Received: by 10.129.40.7 with SMTP id o7mr2663391ywo.185.1478091674676; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 06:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ?IPv6:2602:304:cda0:8800:45ec:5f21:916d:f980? ([2602:304:cda0:8800:45ec:5f21:916d:f980]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u1sm562917ywc.15.2016.11.02.06.01.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Nov 2016 06:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com>
X-Google-Original-From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
References: <E3C933A5-6141-437A-ABA9-CF881BC8149E@cooperw.in> <50f9aade-69aa-0f49-05a6-00c891f96070@dcrocker.net> <2fcf2945-094a-0041-a464-8965d0a472d2@gmail.com> <C86363C1-B427-4278-B325-C883C6DEB7D3@gmail.com> <7eb36108-79cc-a3f5-6c41-1d7e4b1b849e@gmail.com> <f7b3c9ea-de33-26d1-8f0a-3ce82860771e@dcrocker.net> <B7162C59-16C7-4885-8524-AC8BAAD3BAE7@amsl.com> <71BAE699-8A0A-4201-B3CD-D80FFB79945A@gmail.com>
To: mtgvenue@ietf.org
Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
Message-ID: <8819739f-f775-b808-7e9a-d99c3a847557@dcrocker.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 06:01:13 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <71BAE699-8A0A-4201-B3CD-D80FFB79945A@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mtgvenue/0Xhndfau8NcZmtGpNCCKjAC5NA4>
Cc: Laura Nugent <lnugent@amsl.com>
Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Comments on draft-baker-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-02
X-BeenThere: mtgvenue@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net
List-Id: "List for email discussion of the IAOC meeting venue selection process." <mtgvenue.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/mtgvenue>, <mailto:mtgvenue-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/mtgvenue/>
List-Post: <mailto:mtgvenue@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mtgvenue-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mtgvenue>, <mailto:mtgvenue-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:01:18 -0000

On 11/2/2016 4:53 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
> That is part of it. But there is also benefit, a huge one, in human networking. The difference between having scheduled remote meetings using tools such a MeetEcho and an in-person meeting is unscheduled meetings - two or more people can have a meal together or talk in the hallway on a topic of their choice at will. This possibility is maximized if they are physically co-located. When we are housed in a number of smaller hotels, this is still possible, of course, but it is not as accessible.


As paradigm choices go, this is a major topic.  Potentially major in how 
it affects the tone of the IETF meeting and definitely major in its 
effect on the search for venues.

So I suggest we consider both the dynamics of the feature and the effect 
of alternatives.

By way of example:

      If an area has many, smaller hotels nearby, is the convenience of 
getting together hurt significantly?  Why or why not?

      Also, how much more work would it be to arrange the same number of 
reserved rooms, but in a mixture of hotels.  (I believe we have some 
experience of doing this?)

d/

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net