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Re: [Mtgvenue] Comments on draft-baker-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-02

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Sun, 06 November 2016 19:21 UTC

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> On 5 Nov 2016, at 9:52, Fred Baker <FredBaker.IETF@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Today you can usually get pretty acceptable Internet service at any random hotel and it’s usually included in the room price. The only annoyance is the captive portal. Sure, there are exceptions, but it has become enough of a non-issue that I think we can omit this from the considerations.
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> Not sure I would agree, at least not entirely. You’re correct that the issue has changed over time, but the consideration has been of value in some of the meetings we have planned in the past decade. I would rather leave it there and agree that it is often not a primary issue.

I think that by now the network available in average hotels is sufficiently non-horrible that we can live with the same kind of network as everyone else. Sure there may be a captive portal, NAT and broken IPv6 (or none), but that is the Internet the way most business travelers and tourists experience it. 

Yoav

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