Re: [Mtgvenue] Political considerations (was: Re: Comments on draft-baker-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-02

["Soininen, Jonne (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" <[e-mail]>]

Hello everybody,


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On 28/10/16 17:02, "Mtgvenue on behalf of Dave Crocker" <[e-mail] on behalf of [e-mail]> wrote:

    Alissa, et al:
    
    On 6/22/2016 6:49 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
    > (b) Political considerations
    >
    > "we do not choose or not choose venues based on political criteria."
    >
    > What does this mean exactly? We know that the IETF is getting paid by
    > local governments to hold meetings in many (but not all) locations. That
    > doesn't seem like an entirely apolitical activity. Furthermore, both of
    > the prongs of the inclusivity principle derive from actions that local
    > governments take and that we then consider in selecting venues. If none
    > of those are considered "political criteria" then what would be? Perhaps
    > there is a better way to phrase this that doesn't appear contradictory.
    
    
    Ignoring the line of academic debate some economists and political 
    scientists like to have claiming that the two topics are highly related 
    and maybe even the same topic...
    
    
    The IETF takes sponsorship funds from a host country as an economic 
    incentive, independent of the country's political details.
    
    Individuals who participate in selection discussions often offer 
    comments about a country's politics, but I believe they do not wind up 
    affecting the choices directly, nor are they typically discussed at 
    length.
    
    Rather, matters of convenience, cost, safety and other purely logistical 
    and operational matters for the criteria that get used. And I think we 
    have a number of places we've gone and places we haven't gone, that 
    reflect a fair range of political paradigms, demonstrating this.
    
    As such, I believe the current draft text is exactly correct.

I have also understood ‘political criteria’ as we shouldn’t select a country or location because of ‘political favors’, but we basically go to places where it makes sense from the IETF community’s point of view. Basically, that we are not taking a location because there is a certain government pushing for it if it makes little sense to the IETF otherwise.

Cheers,

Jonne. 
    
    d/
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       Dave Crocker
       Brandenburg InternetWorking
       bbiw.net
    
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